More like a preponderance of accusations and presumptions.Preponderance of evidenve, Larry...preponderance of evidence!
That's absurd on the face of it. Listen to yourself. Do an infinitesimal number of crooked "COPs" do that? It's certainly possible. But, MOST "COPs"???...about that gun...MOST cops carry a "throw-down gun" for exactly that reason.
Uuuuuh huh...even with umptillion cell phone cameras recording their every move? Can it, and has it happened on occasion? Again - odds are it has...but with nowhere near the frequency you're implying.Cops are masters at crime scene arrangement, particularly if they committed the crime!!!
From musician John Legend---"Being against cops killing does not equal being for killing cops."
How profound!!
Cheers to a fellow musician for expressing that when I could not!! :thumbsup:
Doug
There is the problem right there Doug, the Mericun Powlice have in years gone by managed to cover up there murderous sins.I wonder how the officers report would have read in the absence of the incriminating footage :lipsrsealed:Well, police have now murdered two more black men in the last two days...fully videoed with cell phones.
What say you all?
Doug
Agreed, Bob...that is the problem with having law enforcement try to police their own...they have a vested interest in sweeping all the "dirt" they find under the carpet, so to speak.There is the problem right there Doug, the Mericun Powlice have in years gone by managed to cover up there murderous sins.I wonder how the officers report would have read in the absence of the incriminating footage :lipsrsealed:
Bob
Old Richard Prior routine "Officer, I am reaching for my license and registration because I don't want to be no fuckin' statistic!"I fear police...and what I do if stopped by an LEO has gotten me out of a ticket (or worse) more than once.
I keep both hands in clear view, one on the steering wheel and the other on the mirror on the outside of the drivers' door. I answer all questions using the word "sir". If the officer asks for ID or insurance/registration information I tell him in a respectful tone, all the while keeping my hands on the mirror and steering wheel, where in my car the documents are located. I then tell the officer that I am going to use my right hand to get the items he requested and ask him if that is alright. I then move very slowly to get the requested information.
Once a DPS officer, after having witnessed the actions I just described, ordered me to get into his car on the passenger's side...I figured I was about to get arrested, or worse, beaten. He just told me that I did not have to tell him every move I was going to make, and I explained that I never want any LEO to view me as any form of threat to their safety.
He thanked me and released me without as much as a warning ticket.
That is a practice I adopted after I was stopped one night about 2AM without explanation, handcuffed and searched, brutalized when I respectfully asked why I was stopped, and then released. I guess some new cop just needed to feel like a big shot, maybe new to the job or just a cop exercising his self-granted authority to be a bully.
So, yeah, I've been on both sides of this equation and know how a rogue cop can turn a law abiding citizen into someone who fears law enforcement and their brutal tactics.
If law enforcement does not abandon their brutal (and even murderous) tactics, we are going to see more and more incidents like occurred in Dallas last night. People will only stand for so much abuse before they start fighting back...with tragic results like occurred last night.
Doug
How can one do that, Jack, if the denial by the officer is all they need to close the case?I say get all the real facts before making up your mind.
....as an ex military man, let me assure that shooting to injure is a myth perpetuated by Hollywood. All Military personnel and I dare say all police are trained to hit centre mass, it is the only effective way of stopping someone. If a cop injures someone it probably means he aimed for centre mass and was a bad shot, or nervous or both.
John,The way i see it, because you people are so convinced you need a gun to protect yourself, the LEO are that paranoid about any movement could be reaching for a weapon its shoot first just in case, in this latest indecent the guy was on the ground with 3 LEO's holding him down, and he was a threat, WTF,
I'm in no hurry to ever come over there even for a visit.
kaspa
Take your point Doug, but many of us of a certain age remember when "robust" local policing often stopped things getting out of hand later. It can't happen now because the population has been nannied into believing that even criminals have "rights". Sure they do, but many future offences have been stopped in their tracks by a strategic "clip around the ear" by the local cop. Yes I know there were not guns involved, but we grew up with a healthy respect for law & order as a result. Plus, the police got backing from the parents. Thus, you got a smack upside your head from the cop, and a double whammy when you got home..Funny...but not...true, but not funny!!
The law enforcement community MUST examine its brutal tactics and take responsibility on some level...but they have granted themselves the right to break the law and administer punishment when at is the responsibility of the courts.
Doug
John,
Don't let the media or this forum mess with your head. By and large, America is very safe. I do not worry about my safety. Mass killings are on the rise (although still per capita rare in a country of 315million people) although they are also on the rise in Europe, althought not to the same degree. Here's some statistics from the dept of justice to give you a more sobering reality:
1: Gun violence has steadily fallen since the late 70's/early 80's and continues to fall today.
2: 2/3 of gun related deaths are suicides. Presumable these individuals would have committed suicide even if a gun were unavailable. It's pretty implausable to say the gun did it.
3: After correcting for the above, there were around 8,800 gun related homicides in the US in 2015. There were closer to 10,000 deaths as a result of drunk driving........and yet, curiously, no one is calling for a ban on alcohol
4: Most of the gun violence is centered on very unsafe neighborhoods in urban centers.
President Obama earlier stated that guns are fueling tensions between individuals and police. This is a stretch and has no basis in fact. What is factual is that many of the police killings have occurred in heavily crime ridden neighborhoods.