F1 2010
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David Morton
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I was trying to think of something witty to say about this overtaking in the last 200 yds after the SC pulled off. If it were me I think I might have gone for it in the same way. Ross brawn and his team are agrieved by the stewards and, quite rightly so, should appeal their decision. I wonder if there might not have been this contoversy
if the boot was on Alonso's foot and he did the same manouevre passing Schumacher?
if the boot was on Alonso's foot and he did the same manouevre passing Schumacher?
Well done Mark Webber. There isn't a nicer guy in Formula One. A close friend of mine worked with him at Williams a few years back, and considers him one of the most down to earth nicest blokes around, who always took the time to get to know all the staff, even inviting my friend to his house for the weekend.
He certainly seems to be in the zone at the moment, and (even though I'm English) would love to see him lift the title some day.
Graham.
He certainly seems to be in the zone at the moment, and (even though I'm English) would love to see him lift the title some day.
Graham.
I say good on Damon Hill!
Hopefully they can get Jacques Villeneuve in to hear the appeal!
Hopefully they can get Jacques Villeneuve in to hear the appeal!
Well I suppose rules are rules even if they are daft. Mclaren & Ferrari significantly told their guys NOT to overtake before the finish line so they were quite aware of the implications of rule 40.13. I quite believe that Mercedes were too, so a bit of gamesmanship methinks.
The rule is quite clear and unambiguous: “if the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
I don't think that you can pick and choose which rules to abide by. If the rule is stupid, have it changed, but until then...
Anyway, it's nice to see the wheels of 'natural justice' still grind albeit slowly. Wasn't this the corner that MSC 'crashed' at to end the qualifying session leaving him top dog in the session the cheating bastard? Like, who was the Ferrari team Manager then eh? Tick tick tick.....
The rule is quite clear and unambiguous: “if the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
I don't think that you can pick and choose which rules to abide by. If the rule is stupid, have it changed, but until then...
Anyway, it's nice to see the wheels of 'natural justice' still grind albeit slowly. Wasn't this the corner that MSC 'crashed' at to end the qualifying session leaving him top dog in the session the cheating bastard? Like, who was the Ferrari team Manager then eh? Tick tick tick.....
Pat Buckley
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I am very pleased to see that Rosberg beat his team mate once again.
David Morton
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Yes indeed Kieth, it was that very corner.
As Edna might say "Spooky........"
As Edna might say "Spooky........"
Agree totally Pat. Not only is he (Rosberg) a nice guy but he is a genuine "son of" talent. Not many of them are. Hill just scraped through but not a patch, Piquet = "Fail" at all levels, Villeneuve? Don't think so, Michael Andretti? Don't make me laugh.
I am not a conspiracy kind of guy, but guess what? MSC has a car designed around him after the first few poor rounds and he goes - er same speed but his team mate goes backwards. Like we've not heard that one before have we. :veryangry:
Time for the old git to retire and let Rosberg carry the Silver Star forwards - he is more than capable... :thumbsup:
PS I have every admiration for MSC and his (probably) unreapeatable achievements, but you gotta know when to quit - and to me, he's now taking the piss.
Edit. I'd like to revisit my comments re: Michael Andretti. It is true he "failed" badly in F1 but he was a genuine talent and very successful in other motorsport disciplines unlike some other famous "sons of."
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Pat Buckley
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I agree on Nico - good guy.
I think that Villeneuve was damned good - it was too bad he left Williams.
As for Hill, I think the only way he could pass a car was if he got a wave around.
I think that Villeneuve was damned good - it was too bad he left Williams.
As for Hill, I think the only way he could pass a car was if he got a wave around.
Pete McCluskey.
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I had another look at the race last night and the track had definitely gone green before MSC passed, so Brawn may still have a point. The rule states 'If the race ends while under safety car", Brawn will no doubt argue that the race had not ended before the safety car went in and the track went green, but was on the last lap.
Yes Keith it is the same corner where the cheat stopped. What goes round comes around.:thumbsup:
Yes Keith it is the same corner where the cheat stopped. What goes round comes around.:thumbsup:
Pete yes, I think that the definition of the 'green' is where the conflict lies and where Merc may have a point, otherwise they don't.
The 'green' is the signal for racing to continue and doesn't seem to be covered in the rule. If there had been no green flag I'm quite sure there would have been no overtaking...
Pat: Agree on Hill. I watched him in F3 and he was never a 'racer'. Damned nice guy but his dad was a tough act to follow. I'm glad he got the crown eventually.
As for Jacques, well, another guy that had to live in his dad's amazing footsteps but, like Hill, never quite got the job done consistently although he took the title. Often outqualified by 'pedestrian' Button at BAR he seemed to lose the will to race, but was happy enough in his role as style guru.
Nico. on the other hand, is exhibiting all the raw pace and talent that HIS dad did. I think he will be the top German in a couple of years although for which team I have no idea. If I was a team manager, I'd sign him over almost anyone else except Hamilton.
The 'green' is the signal for racing to continue and doesn't seem to be covered in the rule. If there had been no green flag I'm quite sure there would have been no overtaking...
Pat: Agree on Hill. I watched him in F3 and he was never a 'racer'. Damned nice guy but his dad was a tough act to follow. I'm glad he got the crown eventually.
As for Jacques, well, another guy that had to live in his dad's amazing footsteps but, like Hill, never quite got the job done consistently although he took the title. Often outqualified by 'pedestrian' Button at BAR he seemed to lose the will to race, but was happy enough in his role as style guru.
Nico. on the other hand, is exhibiting all the raw pace and talent that HIS dad did. I think he will be the top German in a couple of years although for which team I have no idea. If I was a team manager, I'd sign him over almost anyone else except Hamilton.
I fail to see how he is taking the piss when he slotted straight back in and is running in the top ten. The Guy is a legend and I think he will go forward very quickly.
He still has that desire to race and that move on Alonso was awesome and is exactly what F1 needs. I rate him as one of the best and I am glad the he is back.
Pete McCluskey.
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Michael Schumacher, Monaco GP 2010 © The Cahier Archive
Mercedes GP has decided to drop the appeal against the penalty imposed on Michael Schumacher at the Monaco GP, after the FIA agreed to discussions to clean up the safety car regulations.
Schumacher took sixth place from Fernando Alonso in the final corner of the race, between where the safety car pulled into the pits and the start-finish line. Mercedes GP believed that the regulations allowed for this, but the FIA interrupted it as illegal as article 40.13 of the rules states that no overtaking is allowed if the race finishes behind the safety car, saying, "If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
Mercedes GP argued that as the race did not finish under the safety car because there were messages from race control that said "Safety Car in the lap" and "Track Clear", and therefore they saw it as the race being restarted briefly before the flag.
After being given the 20 second penalty and being dropped from the points on Sunday night, Mercedes GP notified the FIA that it planned to appeal the decision. The team needed to confirm this today, but has instead decided against it.
In a statement today the team said it was satisfied that the FIA has stated that it will look to clarify the regulation at the next Sporting Working Group meeting.
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I also read that Ferrari are lobbying to bring back the spare car after Alonso's crash made him unable to take part in qualifying. IMHO I think they have a point, the teams are allowed a spare tub, so all a crash means is the mechanics have to work all night.
Seems a spare car would be a reasonable thing.
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A spare car was never really a bad thing, but only allowing 1 chassis per practice/qualifying session would be a good move. The rules basically remove the potential to use a spare car after the start anyway.
No doubt it is covered in the regs, but does anyone know at what point an assembly of spare parts is deemed to be a spare car?
Pete McCluskey.
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I have no idea, but my definition would be if you could put wheels on the "parts" fire them up and drive them away then they are a spare car.
If you have a tub with no engine or drive train, then I reckon they are spare parts.
