Wish I'd have met you much earlier, friend.
Why you stopped posting.
- Thread starter lonesomebob
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Wish I'd have met you much earlier, friend.
As well as you, Nick!
Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
This thread has some great stuff in it! Traveling today; more later.
Bob,
Good to hear, he likes them at least his alter ego Mr Bean does. I obviously misunderstood you.
Regards
Nick the uber Liberal
Sorry Bob that one is way over my head not sure what you mean.
Nick,
You are a pretty fair thinking person with a liberal bias (hey, but your are a Brit and that is understandable).
Domtoni,
I appreciate it but I have to be careful as flattery can deceive. When all is said and done I am a Liberal socialist who agrees with a lot of what your US Liberals think.
Mark apologies think I have been boring / annoying a lot of people lately, just can't help myself must try harder, now were have I heard that before.
Nick the uber Liberal Walrus
Signing off
The time has come, my little friends, to talk of other things...of shoes and ships and sealing wax, of cabbages and kings.
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Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
So let me see if I understand, Bob posts the above quote.
So he does not direct it to all liberals, but he also posts this, obviously aimed at all liberals.
"And people wonder why I am absolutely repulsed by liberals. If its not the rampant, narcissistic, megalomanic personality, its the utter liars they all are".
Both those statements cant be true!
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Just in the last day, he has called liberals:
Dumb ass, stupid, evil, utter liers, megalomanic and rampant narcissistic........<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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Guys, keep in mind when talking of Jeff, that Bob has matched and often exceeded him when it comes to vicious attacks and name calling. I say if you talk of banning one, you should ban both.
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Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
Huh? "Vicious attacks and name calling"?
Other than "Lonesome Nutjob" you'll have to help me out with when I've done that.
Other than "Lonesome Nutjob" you'll have to help me out with when I've done that.
OK, so I'm going to throw my two pence in, and then I'm gone (I have far too much going on in my life to worry about Lonesome's latest ramblings anyway).
Here's the way I see it:- I'm not going to blame everything on Jeff Young, that's far too easy, and it wouldn't be fair. There are many people who post on here that have strong opinions. We are all a mirror, and the further you stand away from that mirror the harder it becomes to see your reflection, and so it is with these debates. I have never seen such entrenchment in an ideology as I have here. As Keith says, British political debate is far more civilised than your version (i.e we actually listen to each others' point of view)...
Nor will I blame everything on Lonesome Bob's point of view (although I do believe that he is an agent provocateur bent on his own (strange) agenda).
The highest level of "name calling" has occured since Lonesome decided that to dream of a '40 wasn't enough. I have been fortunate to own one for a short period but finances let me down (or at least i did). That's life and I don't mind that at all. One day maybe I'll reach those heady heights. I have made some fascile comments on this forum in the past. I have even been stupid enough to question peoples use (or lack of) grammar. But guess what, I learnt from people that it isn't important. If you can get the message over, then you've done the job, and people will respond to that.
However, the level of vitriol poured out by some of the people in this forum has become self defeating. How can people hope to sit at the table of debate if all they can do is throw stones and hide behind their beliefs in the hope that no one can touch them? It is truly a law of diminishing returns which I'm not interested in playing anymore.
There are those who will agree with me, and those who won't.. That's life, and I can live with that.
In summation - In twenty years you yanks will get exactly what you want. Complete polarisation of politics, and bring on Dumbfuckistan, 'cos it's coming to you because Al, Jeff, Bob, Jim, Craig, Damien et al who can't be a sponge to other philosophies will drown in your own rigid belief structures.
As to David, Keith, Mark and last but never least Nick. I wish you all well. Please email me at [email protected]. At least we will be civilised in our discourse.
Adieu mes Amis.
Here's the way I see it:- I'm not going to blame everything on Jeff Young, that's far too easy, and it wouldn't be fair. There are many people who post on here that have strong opinions. We are all a mirror, and the further you stand away from that mirror the harder it becomes to see your reflection, and so it is with these debates. I have never seen such entrenchment in an ideology as I have here. As Keith says, British political debate is far more civilised than your version (i.e we actually listen to each others' point of view)...
Nor will I blame everything on Lonesome Bob's point of view (although I do believe that he is an agent provocateur bent on his own (strange) agenda).
The highest level of "name calling" has occured since Lonesome decided that to dream of a '40 wasn't enough. I have been fortunate to own one for a short period but finances let me down (or at least i did). That's life and I don't mind that at all. One day maybe I'll reach those heady heights. I have made some fascile comments on this forum in the past. I have even been stupid enough to question peoples use (or lack of) grammar. But guess what, I learnt from people that it isn't important. If you can get the message over, then you've done the job, and people will respond to that.
However, the level of vitriol poured out by some of the people in this forum has become self defeating. How can people hope to sit at the table of debate if all they can do is throw stones and hide behind their beliefs in the hope that no one can touch them? It is truly a law of diminishing returns which I'm not interested in playing anymore.
There are those who will agree with me, and those who won't.. That's life, and I can live with that.
In summation - In twenty years you yanks will get exactly what you want. Complete polarisation of politics, and bring on Dumbfuckistan, 'cos it's coming to you because Al, Jeff, Bob, Jim, Craig, Damien et al who can't be a sponge to other philosophies will drown in your own rigid belief structures.
As to David, Keith, Mark and last but never least Nick. I wish you all well. Please email me at [email protected]. At least we will be civilised in our discourse.
Adieu mes Amis.
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Jeff Young
GT40s Supporter
So this kind of sums it up doesn't it?
I'm not posting my thoughts on this for Keith and David, but for others who might read this. So let's translate: "I'm am angry because 'before' me and a bunch of guys who look and thought like me could post stuff in the paddock that basically went like this:
1. Muslims are terrorists! +1! Post of the day! Check!
2. President Obama is a commiefascistmuslimKenyan! +1! Post of the day! Check!
3. The thousands of scientists who think the earth is warming are frauds..
and everyone agreed."
And so on. That's fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Here's the rub though. Quote: "No one challenged these relevations because, as brothers, we were all victims of it."
I see. So, when someone did find some of what was being posted here wrong, or offensive, or just at a minimum debatable, questioning what the "brotherhood" -- read older white caucasian Christian conservative -- thought was right, that is "forum fascism." Check. Got it.
That's the core of it isn't it? A few of you guys -- a few -- David, Keith, Al, a few others -- wanted a place where you could freely post how much you disliked Muslims, or whatever. And when others questioned that, you felt like sand was being kicked in your sandbox.
Ok. If this were ihatemuslims.com: The Leading I Hate Muslim Site on the Net, fine. I could see why questioning some of your beliefs would be out of line. Since this is a car forum, with an "anything goes" paddock, I don't. It's a bit ironic, isn't it, that folks who pride themselves on being anti-PC or who believe in free and open speech get THAT offended when an opposing viewpoint is posted.
And to say this started with Norway? Please. From the day I started visiting this forum in 2006 -- because it was my friend's forum, and because I enjoy discussin cars with guys like Fran, or racing with Malcolm and Glenn -- the Paddock has been post after post after post of stuff like the above. The Norway thread got Keith all twisted because a few of us dared to suggest that it was evidence that not all terrorists were Muslim, and in fact white male conservative Christians could also engage in acts of terror and senseless violence.
Have I been sarcastic? Sure. Did Al's insistence that all people who took government benefits other than him were lazy bums were scum bother me? Yep. But in the same vein, did the thread after thread of anti-Muslim stuff really -- in my view -- cast this forum in a bad light? Yep.
Club of gentlemen? Some might see it that way. Many others did not, and do not.
If you want to talk cars and racing, love to do it. Wish we could do it without the politics, I would really rather NOT know what your political bent is. If you want to talk politics with people who think about politics just like you, there are plenty of forums on both sides for that.
Last, the "pin the blame on the Americans" is a bit much, no? I'll grant you some of the more vociferous stuff came from this side of the pond, but the old English subtlety (and I love the UK and the people there) can be just as biting and offensive....
And no, no GT40 for me. Mopar guy. 72 Charger. And Britcar guy. Triumph race car and various Loti over the years.
I'm not posting my thoughts on this for Keith and David, but for others who might read this. So let's translate: "I'm am angry because 'before' me and a bunch of guys who look and thought like me could post stuff in the paddock that basically went like this:
1. Muslims are terrorists! +1! Post of the day! Check!
2. President Obama is a commiefascistmuslimKenyan! +1! Post of the day! Check!
3. The thousands of scientists who think the earth is warming are frauds..
and everyone agreed."
And so on. That's fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
Here's the rub though. Quote: "No one challenged these relevations because, as brothers, we were all victims of it."
I see. So, when someone did find some of what was being posted here wrong, or offensive, or just at a minimum debatable, questioning what the "brotherhood" -- read older white caucasian Christian conservative -- thought was right, that is "forum fascism." Check. Got it.
That's the core of it isn't it? A few of you guys -- a few -- David, Keith, Al, a few others -- wanted a place where you could freely post how much you disliked Muslims, or whatever. And when others questioned that, you felt like sand was being kicked in your sandbox.
Ok. If this were ihatemuslims.com: The Leading I Hate Muslim Site on the Net, fine. I could see why questioning some of your beliefs would be out of line. Since this is a car forum, with an "anything goes" paddock, I don't. It's a bit ironic, isn't it, that folks who pride themselves on being anti-PC or who believe in free and open speech get THAT offended when an opposing viewpoint is posted.
And to say this started with Norway? Please. From the day I started visiting this forum in 2006 -- because it was my friend's forum, and because I enjoy discussin cars with guys like Fran, or racing with Malcolm and Glenn -- the Paddock has been post after post after post of stuff like the above. The Norway thread got Keith all twisted because a few of us dared to suggest that it was evidence that not all terrorists were Muslim, and in fact white male conservative Christians could also engage in acts of terror and senseless violence.
Have I been sarcastic? Sure. Did Al's insistence that all people who took government benefits other than him were lazy bums were scum bother me? Yep. But in the same vein, did the thread after thread of anti-Muslim stuff really -- in my view -- cast this forum in a bad light? Yep.
Club of gentlemen? Some might see it that way. Many others did not, and do not.
If you want to talk cars and racing, love to do it. Wish we could do it without the politics, I would really rather NOT know what your political bent is. If you want to talk politics with people who think about politics just like you, there are plenty of forums on both sides for that.
Last, the "pin the blame on the Americans" is a bit much, no? I'll grant you some of the more vociferous stuff came from this side of the pond, but the old English subtlety (and I love the UK and the people there) can be just as biting and offensive....
And no, no GT40 for me. Mopar guy. 72 Charger. And Britcar guy. Triumph race car and various Loti over the years.
Looks like "We had to destroy the village in order to save it." unknown.
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Jim, do you know how to tune Webbers,,,,,,,,,,, never mind, you got a Holly?
p.s. the entire Liberal agenda is built on lies.
Ian Anderson
Lifetime Supporter
Guys please!
Jim you are in the Left corner and Bob is in the Right corner
I am sure you have heard amongst your "group" for Jim "How do you know when a Conservative is lying? - His lips move"
and for Bob "How do you know when a liberal is lying? - His lips move"
Both are jokes at the other sides expense. If you are a real cynic you would say both jokes are true!
It can also be said for a salesman "how do you know when a salesman in lying? - His lips move"
So in politics nobody beleives the other side
and hell the salesmen are doomed!
I'm quite sure neither Bob nor Jim will change the other's views and to be honest the "bickering" detracts from the forum
Ian
Jim you are in the Left corner and Bob is in the Right corner
I am sure you have heard amongst your "group" for Jim "How do you know when a Conservative is lying? - His lips move"
and for Bob "How do you know when a liberal is lying? - His lips move"
Both are jokes at the other sides expense. If you are a real cynic you would say both jokes are true!
It can also be said for a salesman "how do you know when a salesman in lying? - His lips move"
So in politics nobody beleives the other side
and hell the salesmen are doomed!
I'm quite sure neither Bob nor Jim will change the other's views and to be honest the "bickering" detracts from the forum
Ian
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Ian,
You are absolutly right, no one will change minds with this type of discussion, but thats not what my post is about.
Ian, if someone called you a liar, would you be OK with that, or would you ask them to prove it.
So Ian, if you aked them to prove you are a liar, and their reply was to change the subject, what would you do?
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Bob called me an "utter liar", I have aked him to prove it.
I really think that is a fair question, don't you?
You are absolutly right, no one will change minds with this type of discussion, but thats not what my post is about.
Ian, if someone called you a liar, would you be OK with that, or would you ask them to prove it.
So Ian, if you aked them to prove you are a liar, and their reply was to change the subject, what would you do?
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Bob called me an "utter liar", I have aked him to prove it.
I really think that is a fair question, don't you?
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Jim, ever since you said,
"Originally Posted by Jim Craik
Cliff is absolutely right, this is a car forum. By far majority of Cliffs posts are car related, with an occasional "paddock" discussion.
Your posts have nothing to do with cars. You only insult and devide, nothing else. You have absolutely no right to come here and pull this crap! Have you no sense of decency?"
I've tried to engage you in automotive banter. You have completely ignored all my questions and now you are trying to reopen the wounds I have so diligently tried to heal here.
I must now ask you, sir, "Have you no sense of decency?"
Also, what is the proper method of welding stainless steel?
"Originally Posted by Jim Craik
Cliff is absolutely right, this is a car forum. By far majority of Cliffs posts are car related, with an occasional "paddock" discussion.
Your posts have nothing to do with cars. You only insult and devide, nothing else. You have absolutely no right to come here and pull this crap! Have you no sense of decency?"
I've tried to engage you in automotive banter. You have completely ignored all my questions and now you are trying to reopen the wounds I have so diligently tried to heal here.
I must now ask you, sir, "Have you no sense of decency?"
Also, what is the proper method of welding stainless steel?
Jim Craik
Lifetime Supporter
Bob,
The cowards way out, change the subject!
When I have called someone on an a lie, I immediately say what that un-truth was.
You only accuse, insult and devide, that is obvious to everyone.
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"I've tried to engage you in automotive banter. You have completely ignored all my questions and now you are trying to reopen the wounds I have so diligently tried to heal here." Posted by Bobbie
Guys, in the last two days Bobbie has said this about Liberals:
"And people wonder why I am absolutely repulsed by liberals. If its not the rampant, narcissistic, megalomanic personality, its the utter liars they all are".
He calls them: "Dumb ass, stupid, evil, utter liers, megalomanic and rampant narcissistic"<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
So Bob, tell us what part of "diligently trying to heal" do those words fall under?
The cowards way out, change the subject!
When I have called someone on an a lie, I immediately say what that un-truth was.
You only accuse, insult and devide, that is obvious to everyone.
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"I've tried to engage you in automotive banter. You have completely ignored all my questions and now you are trying to reopen the wounds I have so diligently tried to heal here." Posted by Bobbie
Guys, in the last two days Bobbie has said this about Liberals:
"And people wonder why I am absolutely repulsed by liberals. If its not the rampant, narcissistic, megalomanic personality, its the utter liars they all are".
He calls them: "Dumb ass, stupid, evil, utter liers, megalomanic and rampant narcissistic"<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
So Bob, tell us what part of "diligently trying to heal" do those words fall under?
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